THE LAW vs. THE LAW, Facing Error – Part 1

[6:32 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
¿Todavía sostiene eso…fue la ley de Los Diez Mándamientos solo para los judíos?

[6:34 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Exodus :31:16:17 there is the answer. Says the children of Israel. It doesn't say the Mexicans

[6:34 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
¿Alguna vez ha leído el texto que dice "escrudriñad las escrituras"? They are words of Jesus.

[6:35 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
If I'm giving you the Bible

[6:35 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Yo también.

[6:35 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
That is why I call you the children of Israel.

[6:35 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Pero me está dando Biblia a medias, hermano, [y encima de eso, distorsionándola].

Ok, allow me…

[6:36 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Are you an Israelite and if so, what tribe are you from? Don't wait, I have something else prepared for you.

[6:37 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Permítame, por favor…

[6:37 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Ok I wait ahead

[6:37 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Don't worry, I'm not going anywhere...

[6:37 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
I'm waiting

[6:38 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Ok, vamos a navegar la Biblia… Génesis hasta Apocalipsis…

[6:38 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
But don't copy and paste. What you know or have studied. Stop searching on Google

[6:39 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Are you forbidding me from using the Bible?

[6:40 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Don't just copy from the Adventist website.

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
¿De dónde este individuo saca que yo saco información de alguna página Adventista? Hasn't that been the BIBLE that I have been showing you? Are you an Adventist or are you obsessed with Adventists? I warn you that Adventists are the same—although it may be difficult to believe, or more ignorant than you.

[6:40 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
I am writing to you what I know about it.

[6:40 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
I could be wrong, I'm human and I make mistakes.

[6:40 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
¹So the heavens and the earth were finished, and all their host.
²And God finished on the seventh day the work he did; and he rested on the seventh day from all the work he did.
³And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it, because in it he rested all the work he had done in creation. —GEN. 3:1-3

Where else do we find that text?

[6:41 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Who rest there is Adam. Oh, God

[6:41 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Pregúntale eso a Jesús (Marcos 2:27-28).

Exodus 20:8-11

⁸Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
⁹Six days you will work, and you will do all your work;
¹⁰but on the seventh day It is rest to Jehovah your God; Do not do any work in it, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your maidservant, nor your beast, nor your foreigner who is within your gates.
¹¹Because in six days Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, and rested on the seventh day; Therefore, Jehovah blessed the Sabbath day and sanctified it. —EXODUS 20:8-11

Read BOTH texts and compare.

[6:41 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Obviously to Israel. If you show me where the Bible says Adam and Eve kept the seventh day.

[6:42 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Exodus 20:10

¹⁰but the seventh day is a rest to the Lord your God; Do not do any work in it, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your servant, nor your maid, nor your beast,  nor your foreigner that is within your doors. —EXODUS 20:10

[6:42 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
I believe it is said that God rests from his creative hours

[6:42 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Show me where it says Adam (and Eve) didn't keep it!

[6:43 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
And tell me, did God create it on Saturday?

[6:43 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Genesis 2:1-3.

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Show me where it says Adam and Eve didn't keep it.

[6:43 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Simple why he didn't do it, his crime was eating from the tree, not not keeping the Sabbath.

[6:43 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Instituído al hombre por causa del hombre. No dice "insituído por causa del hombre israelista", sino por causa del hombre, y punto (Marcos 2:27-28).

[6:44 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Answer me the Rest

[6:44 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
What did God say would happen to Adam if he ate from the Tree?

[6:44 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
I would die

[6:44 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Adán guardó el Sábado, pues por causa de Adán fue instituído. Eso se cae de la mata solito, admás que Oseas 6:7 dice claramente que Adán recibió la msima ley que recibió Israel. En efecto, Oseas 6:7 dice que que Adán traspasó el pacto (la ley). Es decir, si traspasó el pacto, eso porque, to) primero recibió el pacto, and b) si lo violó es porque un día primero lo guardó. Te está fallando el discernimiento, además que se que NUNCA en tu vida te habías topado con este texto.

[6:45 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Didn't he say if you don't keep the Sabbath you will die

[6:45 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
And what does Death bring?

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
The law is a whole that cannot be separated, Sanitago 2:10

[6:45 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
You see how you want to teach a fallacy

[6:45 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Which brings death? [Is not the Sabbath part of the law of the ten commandments?]

[6:45 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
The wages of sin is death

[6:45 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
???

[6:45 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
And what is sin? 1 John 3:4 to help you.

[6:46 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Tangrection of the law but which law?

[6:46 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Yeah, what law?

[6:46 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
The ten Commandments.

[6:46 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
?

[6:47 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
So, if Adam and Eve sinned it is because they violated the law of the ten commandments [and the Sabbath is part of that law].

[6:47 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Are you sure I now understand that the law of the Ten Commandments is valid to this day for Christians?

[6:47 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Love God with all your heart

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
And what is love?—ROM.13:10

[6:48 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Te voy a "matar el gallo en la funda", con un solo texto… Te quería llevar al paso, pero eres muy impaciente. ¿Quiéres imponer tus creencias o quieres que la luz de la palabra de DIos brille, independientemente de quien tenga o no tenga la razón?

[6:48 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Yes, but there was no law as such, it was not necessary, they were perfect human beings without sin.

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
The law was for them to remain that way, perfect and sinless. You already said it, "el pecado es infracción de la ley." (1 JOHN 3:4)

[6:49 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Was the command given to Adam part of the Ten Commandments?

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Mi amigo, su discernimiento es muy pobre. El primer madamiento de la ley dice "no tendras dioses ajenos delante de mi", and the fourth tells us that God is ours creator. By disobeying God and eating from the tree that God said not to eat, Adam and Eve automatically: to) I serve a god—Satan, and b) Obviously, they dishonored their creator, and c) They dishonored HIS FATHER, thus directly violating the first, fourth, and fifth commandments of the law. And even before eating the fruit of the tree, Eve had already coveted it (GEN 3:5-6), otra violación a la ley. Podría seguir, pero con alguié como tú, que quiere nada que ver con la verdad, no vale la pena el esfuerzo. "Escudriñad las escrituras", says the gentleman.

[6:50 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
You can eat from every tree in the garden until you are satisfied, but from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you should not eat from it because if you eat you will die.

[6:51 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
My brother, you are lacking discernment. If Adam was going to die by eating the fruit, and Death is only achieved by violating the law,  What is the text talking about then? 

[6:51 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Tell me which commandment of the ten was that? Answer

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Adam and Eve raped each of the ten commandments. For the benefit of those who hate darkness, here is a study that shows it in detail. ^[1]"La Ley,Los Judíos & Tú [ESTUDIO, CristoVerdad]

Simplementes no conectas las cosas más básicas y esenciales de la escritura. No tienes nada—ABSOLUTAMENTE NADA, de discernimiento. Te reocmiendo que dejes de comer puerco y que apagues la TV y te pongas a estudiar la Biblia, pues obviamente todo eso re está aftectando tu capacidad de conectar puntos que son muy sencillos. Te recomiendo el siguiente tema…veraderamente lo necesitas.

[6:51 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Disobedience but not of the Ten Commandments. But one directly that came from the creator nothing more.

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Les daré una muestrecita de lo que presentamos en el estudio que ya mencionamos más arriba. Alex dice que se violó un mandamiento más alto venido del creador. Antes que nada, preguntamos, ¿Presenta la Biblia "Otro" mandamiento que esté por encima de su Santa Ley?

Now the first commandment of the law of God says the following—

³You can not have others gods in front of me. —GENESIS 20:3

Preguntamos, violaron Adán y Eva ese mandamiento al obedecer al diablo en lugar de a Dios? ¿"Comieron o no comieron ellos del árbol que Dios dijo "no comerás"? ¿Se sometieron ellos a un dios ejeno [Satanás] o al verdadero Dios?

[6:52 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
WE DESTROY THE ERROR DIRECTLY

[6:52 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Explain that text to me now. Let me know if you want another one.

[6:54 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Hahaha he is talking about the covenant of the law the Mosaic law With that, I told you that those who wanted to be part of God's people at that time had to do

[6:54 PM, 9/17/2019] Teddy (Agustín)
And why shouldn't they eat from that tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Because they would be like gods. [GEN. 3:5]]

[6:54 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
That pact was invalidated. It was a direct mandate from the creator, that's what the story says.

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Es increíble ver lo que escribes. Te vuelvo a preguntar, ¿acaso no quieres ser tú parte del pueblo de Dios? Tú desenfoque es abismal.

Y—en efecto, mi apreciado Alex, Israel violó el pacto, invalidandolo. La pregunta que yo te hago es, ¿Lo invalidó Dios? ¿Cuándo tú violas un pacto, eres recompensado o castigado? ¿Cuándo tus hijos invalidan tus ordendes, les da regalos como premio?

However, How did God react to that invalidation?

⁸For rebuking them he says: Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord,  And I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. ;
⁹Not like the covenant I made with their fathers on the day I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt: Because they NO They remained in my covenant,  And I despised them,  says the Lord.
¹⁰Whereby,  this is the pact which I will command to the house of Israel After those days, says the Lord:  I will give my laws in their souls, And on their hearts I will write them;  And I will be their God, and they will be my people:
¹¹And no one shall teach his neighbor, Nor any his brother, saying, Know the Lord: Because everyone will know me, From the youngest of them to the oldest. —HEBREWS 8:8-11 (See JERERMIAS. 31:31-35)

Ineptitude is a sin of death (HOSEA 4:6); stay away from her.

[6:55 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
¹⁴ And not only with you  I make this pact and this oath,
¹⁵but with those who stand here with us today before the Lord our God,  and with those who are not here with us today.  —DEUTERONOMY 29:14-15

[6:55 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
You wait for me, I'm going to have dinner, we'll continue then, as you can see, the topic is good. I love talking about the law.

[6:55 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
⁷But they, like Adam, transgressed the covenant; there they transgressed against me. —HOSEA 6:7

Please explain to me.

[6:56 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
I'll explain to you in a moment

[6:56 PM, 9/17/2019] Teddy (Agustín)
The last verses of chapter 3 of Genesis deciphers why they had to differentiate good from evil

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Indeed, Teddy. Let's see what you mean—

²⁴ So he cast out the man, And he placed cherubim on the east side of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword that moved everywhere,  to guard the path of the tree of life.  —GENESIS 3:24

Después de la caída de Adán y Eva, ellos fueron echados del Edén and they lost access to the tree of life. Esto es para que wl hombre no viviera eternamente mientras este seguía pecando (GEN 3:22). Then he gave man the plan of redemption (GEN. 3:21), by shedding the blood of Christ (APC. 13:8) thus giving access to grace. But God left a very specific condition so that man could once again have access to the tree of life, and therefore to eternity:

¹⁴Blessed are THOSE WHO KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, to have the right to the tree of life,  and let them enter through the gates into the city. —REVELATION 22:14

And didn't Adam and Eve not violate the law of the ten commandments? Here we clearly see that the method used by God before and after the fall of man is the same: "guarda mi ley y vivirás" (PROV. 7:2) (GÉN 3:3)

[REPEATED] [6:56 PM, 9/17/2019] Teddy (Agustín)
The last verses of chapter 3 of Genesis deciphers why they had to differentiate good from evil

[6:56 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
And what does good and evil teach you?

⁷What shall we say, then? IS THE LAW A SIN? In no way.  But I did not know sin except through the law;  for neither would I know covetousness, unless the law said, Thou shalt not covet. —ROMANS 7:7

[6:58 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
You're helping me, Teddy.

[6:58 PM, 9/17/2019] Teddy (Agustín)
Well the final verses of chapter 3 are genesis, it clearly says NOW THEY ARE LIKE ONE OF US KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL, then the path that leads to the tree of life with 2 cherubim and a flaming sword is cut off, so that they would not continue being immortal.

Eating from the tree of life

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
OK, right, I already expanded on that.

[6:59 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Did Adam know good and evil before he sinned?

[6:59 PM, 9/17/2019] Teddy (Agustín)
Because did not allow God that Cain and Abel were born into immortality?

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
I didn't notice this question during the debate, but I'll give you the answer here, Teddy.

Where does the Bible say that God did not allow Cain and Abel to be born before immortality? Under what biblical principle do you conclude that God did not allow [An action] that Cain and Abel were born before Adam and Eve sinned? In fact, The Bible teaches exactly the opposite.—

²⁸And God blessed them; and God said to them:  Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth,  and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over all the beasts that move on the earth. —GENESIS 1:28

This was the first order that God gave to man after being created. (GEN. 1:26-27), before the man fell. La razón por la que Caín y Abel no vinieron antes del pecado no fue porque Dios lo prohibió, como tú falsamente presentas, sino porque Adán y Eva pecaron demasiado rápido. De hecho, Adán y Eva pecaron el mismo primer año de su creación. I'll leave that to you as homework, although I already presented the biblical texts that affirm this!

[7:00 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
How do we regain access to the Tree of Life? [It has already been explained] [Cain and Abel were born after immortality] because sin had already entered. Did Cain know that killing is bad?

[7:01 PM, 9/17/2019] [7:03 PM, 9/17/2019] (Agustín)
No, because as a result of eating the fruit that was forbidden to them, the fundamental thing came to all humans: free will, freedom of choice, being aware of what is good and what is not. Yes, he did, because he knew what happened to his parents in the Garden of Eden.

[7:02 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Si Adán y Eva no conocían la diferencia entre el bien y el mal, ¿Cómo entonces podían entender las consecuencias del comer del árbol de la ciencia?

[7:02 PM, 9/17/2019] Teddy (Agustín)
And how they were expelled

[7:02 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
¿Hay un mandamiento que dice "no matarás"? Remember, you say that the law of the ten commandments did not exist in Eden.

[7:03 PM, 9/17/2019] (Agustín)
They did not know death or illness or old age, so then they were like unpolished beings. They were like children or like beings without sinfulness

[7:04 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Pero Dios le dijo "ciertamente morirás". He [Adam] I had to understand that, No?

Es muy simple, hermano. Usted se está ahogando en un vaso de agua. El contexto de Génesis 2:17 no es que Adán y Eva conocerían el bien y el mal, sino que vivirían en carne propia las cnsecuencia de su rebeelión contra Dios.

Adán y Evas nunca fueron niños, así que Dios los creó a ellos con ese conocimiento en su mente, de otra manera no hubiesen entendido las consecuencia de violar la orden de Dios ene l Edén. Y ellos lo experimentaron de primera mano de dos maneras directas: a) Cuando quedaron desnudos, y Dios se alejó de ellos, and b) cuando Caín mató a Abel. Díganme ustedes a mí, ¿creen ustedes que Adán y Eva no sufrieron y lloraron la muerte de Abel?

[7:04 PM, 9/17/2019] Teddy (Agustín)
The animals didn't even die or get sick.

In fact, Teddy, where the law is kept, there can be no death. Violation of the law is what defines sin (1 JOHN 3:4). AND "la paga del pecado"—es decir, la paga por violar la ley, "es la muerte" (ROM. 6:23). ¿Qué tan difícil de entender es algo tan simple?

[7:04 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
 Una vez más, ¿Qué es los que nos dice a nosotros la diferencia entre el bien y el mal?  Eso no hay que adivinarlo, pues ya Pablo se los dijo a ustedes dos también:

"…Pero yo no conocí el pecado sino por la ley; for neither would I know covetousness, unless the law said, Thou shalt not covet. —ROMANS 7:7

Todo era perfecto porque la ley de Dios es perfecta—

⁷ su_highlight background="#fff621″ color="#1b6d96″]Jehovah's law is perfect,[/su_highlight] que vuelve el alma: El testimonio de Jehová, fiel, que hace sabio al pequeño. —SALMOS 19:7

[7:05 PM, 9/17/2019] Teddy (Agustín)
You wouldn't know how to tell them apart if they had never met. And everything falls into a plan

[7:05 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier

[REPEAT] [7:05 PM, 9/17/2019] Teddy (Agustín)
You wouldn't know how to tell them apart if they had never met. And everything falls into a plan

[7:06 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
¿Esnotnces Adán y Eva fueron incocente de su trasngresión? Y si fue así, ¿por qué entonces Dios los castigó a ellos por desobedecer, si después de todo ellos no sabían la diferencia entre el bien y el mal? Dime, ¿es Dios un Dios justo o injusto?

[7:07 PM, 9/17/2019] Teddy (Agustín)
Do you believe that if God had really wanted things this way, he would not have destroyed Satan immediately? Or would he have made another couple if he really wanted that?

[7:07 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Does a two-year-old know that killing is bad?

[7:07 PM, 9/17/2019] Teddy (Agustín)
As you said, he is a child, just like Adam and Eve.

[7:07 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Did God want Adam and Eve to sin? [You said it was all part of a plan]

oh—Well, then God is unjust.

Lo que ustedes están afirmando es que Dios les dio una orden a Adán y Eeva, que ellos no podían entender. Y como ellos no la entendieron, entonces la violaron. Y Dios los castigó por él no haberlos creado a ellos con capacidad de entender. Mediten por un segundo en lo que ustedes están creyendo, y luego vegan a mí y diganme si eso tiene sentido alguno.

[7:08 PM, 9/17/2019] Teddy (Agustín)
It was part of a plan greater than our point of view.

[7:08 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Si Dios los castigó por hacer algo que no entendían. Eso se llama injusticia. Si es como ustedes duicen, entonces tenemos un problema aún mayor aquí, pues una de las cualidades divinas de Dios es que él es justo. Y ustedes están diciendo que Dios es injusto, pues la Biblia presenta que Adán y Eeva fueron castiagados. Y si hubo un castigo cuando ellos eran inocentes, entonces eso quiere decir que no estamos hablando de Dios, sino de un dios.

You are already philosophizing, and you know it. God is Holy (1 PED 1:15-16), don't forget: Also fair (ESD. 9:15,). And God—my friend, He is not going to punish anyone who is not aware of what they are committing.

⁵Clement is Jehovah and fair; Yes, merciful It is our god. —PSALMS 116:5

[7:09 PM, 9/17/2019] Teddy (Agustín)
We know that Christ was predestined to give his life as a sacrifice for all humanity before the world was created, how is that possible if there is no plan?

[7:09 PM, 9/17/2019] Teddy (Agustín)
Answer me to that

[7:10 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Dame el texto Bíblico. Primero, ya te demostré que la ley es para la humanidad, y no has comentado al respecto.

[7:17 PM, 9/17/2019] (Agustín)
1 Peter 1:19 and 20

[7:17 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
¹⁹but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without spot and without spot,
²⁰ already destined before the foundation of the world,  but manifested in the last times for your sake, —1 PETER 1:19-20

I already had it for you [the biblical text]. Brother, where did sin begin?

[7:18 PM, 9/17/2019] Teddy (Agustín)
He was already destined to come to earth, as it is before the foundation of the world, it can also be written or translated predestined. Well, it is before making the earth.

[7:19 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Predestined is something else... But tell me, where did sin begin?

The question I ask you, ¿Sabía Dios que el hombre pecaría, o Dios predestinó al hombre para pecar?

Don't Google me, bro. You yourself banned it.

[7:22 PM, 9/17/2019] Teddy (Agustín)
MORMON CHANNEL QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS

The fall part 1 and 2

[7:23 PM, 9/17/2019] Teddy (Agustín)
Here is a clear explanation

[7:23 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Brother, please respect the space… We are having a debate here right now.

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
No me había percatado que estaba hablando con otra persona y no con Alex, que se había ido a cenar, pues no tenía lso números archivados en mis contactos. Al ver los audios fue que me dí cuenta que era otra persona.

[7:23 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Thank you.

[7:23 PM, 9/17/2019] Teddy (Agustín)
This is not a debate

[7:23 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Then publish your material.

[7:23 PM, 9/17/2019] Teddy (Agustín)
I am passing information

[7:23 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Si, es un debate. La puede pasar más adelante. No hay problemas con eso.

[7:24 PM, 9/17/2019] Teddy (Agustín)
OK, go ahead

[7:24 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Thank you very much, the courtesy is appreciated.

[7:28 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Did God predestinate man to sin?

I'm just waiting for brother Alex to return. Praying all is well with him.

[7:53 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Now I'm back

[7:53 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
⁴⁹The same law will be for the native, and for the foreigner  that I will dwell among you. —EXODUS 12:49

[7:53 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Where are we staying I see many messages

[7:53 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Excellent. Is everything okay with you brother?

There are not many [messages]. [Any more, I didn't know that I had been talking to someone else for quite a while]

[7:54 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Of course, thank God. Forward

[7:54 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Okay, Are we now clear that the law was for all humility?

[7:54 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Ok then you say the law is for all humans. OK.

[7:55 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
No, lo digo, lo dice la Biblia. Dime, ¿No cometerás adulterio no es para tí?

[7:55 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
No I do not agree [that the law was for all humanity]

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
The word of God says—

²⁷He also said to them: On Saturday by cause of the man is done; Noel man by cause of the Saturday. —MARK 2:27

Where does it say in the Bible that the Sabbath was made for the sake of the Israelites? "Por causa del hombre" es simplemente eso, "por causa del hombre"-The humanity. And the first man created was Adam, who was not an Israelite!

[7:55 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Where ?

[7:55 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Don't you agree with God?

[7:55 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
The Bible says that Israel

[7:55 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier

[7:55 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Show me where the Canaanites and the Philistines kept the Sabbath. Show me if you say it's for everyone

[7:56 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
That's why God destroyed them... For violating the law.

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Show me when the devil has kept the law of God. That is to say, when the devil has served God. Is that the best argument you have?

[7:56 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Your theory doesn't make sense.

[7:56 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
I have no theory, I have the Bible!

[7:56 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Where does the Bible say that?

[7:56 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier

[7:56 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Explain to me.

[7:56 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
So it was not obligatory to keep the law

[7:59 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier

[7:59 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Ok then why didn't he destroy the Egyptians?
They broke the law

[7:59 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier

¿Alguna vez has leído la historia del Éxodo de Egipto?

[8:00 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
¹When the Lord your God has brought you into the land into which you will enter to take it,  and has cast out before you  to many nations,  to the Hittite, to the Girgashite, to the Amorite, to the Canaanite, to the Perizzite, to the Hivite, and to the Jebusite,  seven nations greater and more powerful than you, —DEUTERONOMY 7:1

[8:00 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
And to this day it exists as an Egyptian nation

[8:00 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Read Acts 13:19

¿No lee usted la Biblia, hermano?

[8:00 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
No my friend, you are wrong, you want to keep a law that was not given for you but for the tribes of Israel.
Yes [I read the Bible]

[8:01 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Don't know the story of the Exodus?

[8:01 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Because. Ave but Egypt still exists to this day and the Canaanites the Philistines do not

[8:02 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Explain if why it was not completely destroyed?

[8:02 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
⁵But I want to remind you, since you once knew it, that the Lord,  having saved the people by bringing them out of Egypt, then he destroyed those who did not believe .

[8:02 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Yes but not the city. And the city of the Canaanites and the Philistines, right?

[8:03 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
See how you take text out of context

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
³ And the Lord gave favor to the people in the eyes of the Egyptians . Moses was also considered a great man in the land of Egypt, in the eyes of Pharaoh's servants, and in the eyes of the people.

[8:03 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Egypt exists to this day, you are not going to deny it to me.

[8:03 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Tambié todavía existe el hombre, ¿no? ¿Y no dijo Dios "ciertamente morirás"? En Egipto hubo gente que temió a Dios. Además, ¿alguna vez has escuchado hablar de cierto plan llamado el plan de redención?

[8:04 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
So clearly those who left in the exodus agreed. But after?

[8:04 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
God only destroys the wicked. [God is fair, don't forget]

[8:05 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Then he approved the dolatry law of the Egyptians!
Barbarian
I did not know it

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
You already know

³ And the Lord gave favor to the people in the eyes of the Egyptians . Moses was also considered a great man in the land of Egypt, in the eyes of Pharaoh's servants, and in the eyes of the people.

[8:05 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Wherever there is a faithful there is mercy.

[8:05 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Well let's continue we see you couldn't respond.

[8:05 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Do you understand that?

[8:05 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
No no. You couldn't answer

[8:06 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
No, but I didn't give you what you want to hear. That is different.

[8:06 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Why didn't God destroy the city of Egypt? If they broke the law? They did not worship the true God but pagans

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Ya te dije, la ineptud es un grave pecado, pero aquí estoy para ayudarte.

[8:07 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
₂₁And the Lord will be known to Egypt,  and those of Egypt will know the Lord on that day,  and they will make sacrifice and oblation; and they will make vows to the Lord, and they will fulfill them.
²²And the Lord will strike Egypt; will hurt and heal,  y se convertirán a Jehová,  y les será clemente y los sanará.
²³En aquel tiempo habrá una calzada de Egipto á Asiria, y Asirios entrarán en Egipto, y Egipcios en Asiria; y los Egipcios servirán con los Asirios á Jehová.
²⁴At that time, Israel will be third with Egypt and with Assyria; It will be a blessing in the middle of the earth;
²⁵For the Lord of hosts will bless them, saying:  Bendito el pueblo mío Egipto,  and Assyria is the work of my hands, and Israel is my inheritance. —ISAIAH 19:21-22

[8:07 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Well now let's see if the law is for Christians, okay?

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
¿Y cuántas veces tengo mostrarle eso en la Biblia para que usted entienda, mi amigo?

[8:07 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Does God want to destroy man, or for man to repent?

[8:08 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Yes, of course, as you said, some, not all, but in the past?

[8:08 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier

⁷ But they, like Adam, transgressed the covenant; there they transgressed against me. —HOSEA 6:7

THE SATURDAY FOR HUMANITY

¹Thus says Jehovah:  Save  right, and do justice; for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
²Blessed is the man [THE JEW DOES NOT SAY] what does this, and the son of man who embraces him; who keeps the Sabbath so as not to profane it, and that keeps his hand from doing all evil.
³ And the FOREIGN who follows Jehovah  do not speak saying: The Lord will completely separate me from his people. Nor let the eunuch say: Behold, I am a dry tree.
⁴For thus says the Lord: To the eunuchs May they keep my days of rest, and choose what I want, and embrace my covenant,
⁵I will give them a place in my house and within my walls, and a name better than that of sons and daughters; I will give them a perpetual name that will never perish.
⁶And to the children of  FOREIGN  that they draw near to Jehovah to minister to him, and that they love the name of Jehovah to be his servants:
 to all those who keep the Sabbath from profaning it, and embrace my covenant, ⁷I will take you to the mountain of my holiness, and I will recreate them in my house of prayer; Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; because my house will be called a house of prayer by all peoples.
⁸dsays the Lord Jehovah, he who gathers together the cast out of Israel: I will even gather his gathered ones upon him. —ISAIAH 56:1-8

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¹⁴ And not only with you do I make this pact and this oath,
¹⁵but with those who are herebe present with us today before Jehovah our God,  and with those who are not here with us today.  —DEUTERONOMY 29:14-15

END OF THE FIRST PART

—JOSÉ LUIS JAVIER