THE LAW vs. THE LAW, Facing Error – Part 2

⁷But they, like Adam, transgressed the covenant; there they transgressed against me. —HOSEA 6:7

[8:07 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Does God want to destroy man, or for man to repent?

[8:09 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
It depends, why don't you tell me when God sent a prophet to preach to the nations other than Jonah?

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Bueno, para comenzar, el hecho de que Dios haya enviado a Jonás a Nínive para que se arrepienta, seignifica que a Dios le interesa la salvación de cada ser humano en esta tierra. Así que es un ejemplo muy malo el que escojiste para justificar tu perversidad. De no ser así, entoces la salvación es solamente para los habitantes de Israel. ¿Es eso lo qué tú crees?

[8:09 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Forward.

How about Balaam?
O Eliseo…. Amigo, con todo respeto, usted está usando argumentos muy mediocres, sabe.

[8:09 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
What did he say ?

[8:09 PM, 9/17/2019] Rafael
Os 6:7:"But my people, lo mismo que Adán, ha faltado a mi pacto y me ha sido infiel."

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Correcto, Rafael. Aquí Dios está comparando el pacto que él hizo con Israel y el pacto que hizo con Adán, y nos dice que es el mismo pacto. Amigo Alex, por más que le buzque la quinta pata al gato, The cat is only 4. And if by chance you find a cat with 5 legs, it's because one is missing—it's a deformity!

[8:10 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
What was the covenant that God made with Adam?

[8:10 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Reply

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
No te me deseperes, no se porqué tines tanta prisa de que te hagan quedar mal.

[8:10 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Reply

[8:10 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
His holy law—

⁵Y la tierra se inficionó bajo sus moradores; porque traspasaron las leyes, falsearon el derecho,  They broke the everlasting covenant.  —ISAIAH 24:5

I leave it to you to find out what everlasting means.

[8:11 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Not that covenant was with Israel exodus:31:16-17

[8:11 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
ISAIAH 24:5

One more time, Did Adam sin?

[8:11 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Who are you talking about?

[8:11 PM, 9/17/2019] Rafael
"La misma ley se aplicará a los nacidos en el país y a los extranjeros que vivan entre vosotros.”"

Past time

[8:12 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Of course the proselytes

[8:12 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier

¹⁴ And not only with you do I make this pact  and this oath,
¹⁵but with those who stand here with us today before the Lord our God,  and with those who are not here with us today.  —DEUTERONOMY 29:14-15

[8:12 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
¿Hay un mandamiento que dice "no matarás"?

[8:12 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
So the whole law is for man until today?

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Mi amigo, es sorprendente su poco discerninmiento, su extremada baja capacidad de pensar, analizar y conectar, Caramba!

[8:12 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier

 ¹⁴And not only with you do I make this pact  and this oath,
¹⁵but with those who stand here with us today before the Lord our God,  and with those who are not here with us today.  —DEUTERONOMY 29:14-15

Pero ahora expandamos un pco el texto de Oseas 6:

⁴ ¿Qué haré a ti, Efraín? ¿Qué haré a ti, oh Judá? La piedad vuestra es como nube de la mañana, y como el rocío de la madrugada, que se desvanece.

⁵ Por esta causa los corté por medio de los profetas, con las palabras de mi boca los maté; y tus juicios serán como luz que sale.

⁶ For I desire mercy, and not sacrifice, and the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.

⁷ But they, cual Adán, they crossed the pact; there they transgressed against me.

⁸ Gilead, city of workers of iniquity, stained with blood.

⁹ And how thieves que esperan a algún hombre, así una compañía de sacerdotes mata en el camino hacia Siquem; así cometieron abominación.

¹⁰ En la casa de Israel he visto inmundicia; allí fornicó Efraín, y se contaminó Israel. —OSEAS 6:4-10

Una vez más, aquí dice claramente que antes de Dios ahcer pacto con Israel, perimero lo hizop con Adán, obviamente. Y nos dice así como Adán violó es pacto, Israel también violó ese pacto. Y más importante aún, para nuestro debate de hoy, ahí tambié nos dice a que pacto se estba ra Dios. Y ese pacto es la Ley de Los Diez Mandamientos, pues el texto presenta algunas referencia a violaciones de la ley, como cuando dice que Galaad estaba "manchada de sangre" (6to mandamiento), o cuando nos habla de ladrones (8vo mandamiento), y fornicación (7mo mandamienito) y abominación (5to y 7mo mandamiento).

Todo esto está muy claro y directo, pero hay que escudriñar; hay que dejar que sea Dios que nos ilumine, y no los deseo sde nuestro corazón.

[8:13 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
En efecto, en Apocalipsis. 22:14-16 Jesús mismo dice que la ley está vigente hasta el día de hoy. Read them!

Or are only the Jews going to be saved?

[8:13 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
If the Israelites who were not yet born. OK so are you circumcised?

[8:13 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
No, the text (DEUT. 29:14-15) speaks in the present tense.

[8:14 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
If you follow the law you have to be circumcised

Y para responderle, ¡si estoy circuncidado!

[8:14 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Having to keep the holidays

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Saturday is the first solemn feast of the Lord (LEV. 23), and it will be kept for all eternity—says the Lord,

²²For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make will remain before mesays Jehovah, so it will remain your descendants and your name.
²³And from month to month,  and from Sabbath day to Sabbath day, ALL FLESH will come to worship before me,  said Jehovah. —ISAIAH 66:22-23

[8:14 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Having to sacrifice animals

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Bueno, cuando Cristo venga muchos serán sacrificados, por rebeldes que son. ¿No sabes la diferencia entre la ley y la ley ceremonial? Me gustaría ayudarte con eso, pero esa es una perla que no pienso desperdiciar contigo.

[8:14 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
If you are under the law

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Of course I am under the law of God. What I am not is bound under the law of sin, to which you are a slave, and—by which, you will also be lost. (1 TIM. 1:8-11).

[8:15 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Was circumcision only for Israel?

[8:15 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
The law and the prophets were agreed to by John the Baptist

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Mi amigo, usted al parecer no tiene capacidad de entendimiento. Así que aquí veo un problema más grave, espirotual.

[8:15 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
And from now on what?

[8:16 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Explain Revelation 22:14 to me.…Last chapter of the Bible, and talking about the law!

[8:16 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Write the text, I don't have a Bible at hand.

[8:17 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier

¹⁴BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS,  to be entitled  to the tree of life,  and to enter through the doors  in the city. —REVELATION 22:14

[8:17 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Romans 10:4 Christ is the end of the law and don't tell me that the ceremonial law is talking about the law up to the Ten Commandments
Which commandments the Ten does not say in the Ten Commandments. Let's end this

Christ put an end to the law

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Oh yeah? Let's see-

¹⁵If you love me, keep my commandments. —JESUS CHRIST (John 14:15)

¹My LITTLE CHILDREN, I write these things to you, so that you do not sin; And if anyone has sinned, we have an advocate with the Father,  to Jesus Christ the just ;
²And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for those around the world.
³ And by this we know that we have known him, if we keep his commandments.  ⁴He who says, I have known him,  and does not keep his commandments, such a one is a liar, and there is no truth in him;  ⁵But whoever keeps his word, the charity of God is truly perfect in him: by this we know that we are in him. —1 JOHN 2:1-6

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
⁸ I am the Alpha and the Omega, principle  and end, says the Lord, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

Es sorprendende las cosas estoy esuchando aquí. Por eso la Biblia dice que salgamos de las iglesias, para que no caigamos en semejantes tiniemblas (ISA 52:11, Apc. 18:4-5, Apc. 17:4-5).

[8:19 PM, 9/17/2019] Rafael
The texts are clear in Revelation. The commandments are Israel and faith in Jesus, what they accepted without seeing...

[8:20 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
APC. 22:14 Explains it, friend Alex.

[8:20 PM, 9/17/2019] Rafael

¹²Here the patience of the saints is required, of those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. —REVELATION 14:12

Two towns in one.

[8:21 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier

Ahra explicame esto:

³¹ ¿Luego por la fe invalidamos la ley? En ninguna manera, sino que confirmamos la ley. —ROMANS 3:31

Si usted tiene fe, mi amigo, usted confirma la ley, no la rechaza. Escrito está.

Ahora bien,  ¿Cuáles son los mandamientos de Jesús?

[8:21 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Rom. 10:4: “Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone who exercises faith may have righteousness.” (Sabbath keeping was part of that Law. God used Christ to put an end to that Law. Having a righteous standing before God depends on faith in Christ, not on keeping a weekly day of rest.

¿Puede usted "tener una posición o condición de justicia ante Dios depende de la fe en Cristo" mientras que usted le desobedece?

¹⁵Si me amáis, guardad my commandments. —JESUS CHRIST (John 14:15)

²²For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make will remain before mesays Jehovah, so it will remain your descendants and your name.
²³And from month to month,  and from Sabbath day to Sabbath day, ALL FLESH will come to worship before me,  said Jehovah. —ISAIAH 66:22-23

El fin de la ley, que habla Pablo, no se refiere a la abolición de la ley, sino mas bien al prooósio de la ley. Es decir, el fin de la ley es llevarte a Cristo, pues en la ley está su acarter santo, ya que la ley es santa.

[8:23 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
JESUS DIDN'T PREACH THE SABBATH OR THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

[8:24 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier: Mi amigo, me da pena escucharlo. Pero veamos, y de gracias a DIos, pues aquí estamos para ayudarle.

⁵And he told them: The Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. —LUKE 6:5

¹²For how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore,  It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.  —MATHEW 22:12

¹⁶He came to Nazareth, where he had grown up;  and on the Sabbath day he entered the synagogue,  according to his custom, and got up to read. —LUKE 4:16

⁹So Jesus He said to them: I will ask you one thing:  Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil?  save life, or take it? —LUKE 6:9

¹⁰taught Jesus in a synagogue on the day of repose; —LUKE 13:10

¹⁶And for this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus, and they tried to kill him,  because he did these things on the Sabbath.  —JOHN 5:16

¹⁴And it was day of rest when Jesus had made the mud, and had opened his eyes. —JOHN 9:14

¹⁰I was in the Spirit  on the day of the Lord,  and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,
¹¹what did he say:  I am the Alpha and the Omega,  the first and the last. Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches that are in Asia: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea. —REVELATION 1:10-11

[8:24 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
(See also Galatians 4:9-11 and Ephesians 2:13-16.)

[8:25 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier

¹⁶Then one came and said to him: Good teacher,  What good will I do to have eternal life? 
¹⁷He said to him: Why do you call me good? There is none good but one: God. But if you want to enter life, keep the commandments. 
¹⁸Told him: Which is it? And Jesus said:  Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shalt not steal. You shall not bear false witness. 19Honor your father and your mother; and, You will love your neighbor as yourself.  —MATHEW 19:16-19

[8:25 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Col. 2:13-16
“[God] kindly forgave us all our trespasses and blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and was in opposition to us […] Therefore let no one judge you in eating and drinking, or regarding a feast , or of an observance of the new moon, or of a Sabbath.” (If someone was under the Law of Moses and was found guilty of desecrating the Sabbath, the entire congregation had to stone him to death, according to Exodus 31:14 and Numbers 15:32-35. Many who favor Sabbath observance may be glad that we are not under that Law. As the text cited here shows, enjoying an approved standing before God no longer requires observance of the Sabbath requirement given to Israel.)

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Muy poético, pero demasiada opinión personal, y nada de Biblia para sustentar las herejías que crees. Give me the biblical text that says that Moses created no law.

[8:25 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Expliqcame todos éstos textos que te dí de Jesús predicando sobre y sábado y la ley en general.

[8:25 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Of course that man told him that he was Jewish.

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Don't tell me that story, you said that Jesus didn't preach about those things, period.

[8:26 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Ami didn't tell me.

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Of course he didn't tell you, Well you love and serve the devil (JOHN 14:15)

³ And by this we know that we have known him, if we keep his commandments. 

Let's analyze Colossians 2:13-16 Ephesians 2:13-16, which are actually the same text in different letters (by the same author), which you put above. Oh, and by the way, you used the version of the The new World, from Jehovah's Witnesses! Mmmmm…

¹³Furthermore, although they were dead in their trespasses and in the uncircumcised state of their flesh, [God] quickened them together with Him. He kindly forgave us all our offenses
¹⁴  and erased the handwritten document against us,  which consisted of decrees and that was in opposition to us;  and He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake.  ¹⁵Completely stripping the governments and authorities, he exhibited them* into public view as defeated, and led them in a triumphal procession thereby.
¹⁶Therefore,  let no one judge them  in eating and drinking, or regarding a festival, or an observance of the new moon,  or on a Saturday ; —COLOSSIANS 2:13-16 (NWT)

First of all, did you know that the reason why that version of the Bible New World (TNM) aquí habla de "un madero" y no de la cruz, es porque los Testigos de Jehová tienen la creencia herética de that Christ died hanging on a pole, y no en una cruz…Sabías eso?

Jehovah's Witnesses hate the Cross, and they detest heaven. Do you know what the Bible says about it?

¹⁸Because many are walking, of which I told you many times, and even now I say it while crying,  que son enemigos de la cruz de Cristo:  ¹ 

9 Cuyo fin será perdición,  whose god is the belly, and his glory is in confusion; who feel the earth.
²⁰ But our dwelling is in heaven;  from where we also wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; —PHILIPPIANS 3:18

Of course, the devil raises them, and they get together!

But Colossians 2:14 and Ephesians 2:15 say that Christ nailed the document that consisted of decrees. Do you know what those decrees are? NO, what are you going to know about anything. Let's read the same text in a less expurgatory version, since there is not a single Bible more manipulated than that of The Witnesses of Robá.

So the record of the—and in order to, rites? What rites? How many rituals are there in the law of the ten commandments? Is honoring your father and mother a ritual? How about not killing or committing adultery or not stealing... are those rituals too?

What does Paul mean by rituals? Well, apart from the fact that Paul is clearly talking about the ritual law that was performed in The Sanctuary (Shadow of things to come—Christ dying on the cross), there is a prophecy in the book of Daniel—that Paul is referring to. referring directly, which indicated what would happen when Jesus died—

²⁶And after sixtyoh dos weeks  se quitará la vida al Mesías,  and not by itself: and the people of a prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary; with a flood will be the end of it, and until the end of the war it will be cut down with desolations.
²⁷Y en otra semana confirmará el pacto á muchos,  y á la mitad de la semana hará cesar el sacrificio y la ofrenda:  then with the multitude of abominations there will be desolation, and this until a complete consummation; and the already determined will be poured out on the devastated people. —DANIEL 9:26-27

Daniel—like Paul, tells us clearly what was nailed to the Cross, the ritual law (ceremonial—sacrifices/rites) (NUM 18:6-7, LEV. 1). I mean, my friend, you were talking mockingly about sacrificing lambs, aquí te dice que eso fue lo que caducó en la cruz, "El Sacrificio y La Ofrenda". Honestly, I didn't realize during the debtate that you had included that text, it would have made you look very bad in front of everyone—because you were inept, since I already have an in-depth study on it.^[2]Jesus “vs.” Paul and the Law: What Happened on the Cross
[STUDY, CristoVerdad]

Pero el texto de Colosenses 2 también habla de que "nobody judge you en comida, ó en bebida, ó en parte de día de fiesta, ó de nueva luna, ó de sábados". Bueno, si usted conociera el tema de la ley ceremonial, sabría que cojunto a eso habían días festivos ("fiestas")—llamados sábados que podían caer en cualquier día de la semana. Sábado, no significa séptimo día, sino reposo (fiestas/días festivos/). Así que aquí Pablo no está habalando del Sábado (Shabbath), sino mas bien de los sábados ceremoniales.

Here is a list of ceremonial Saturdays (Fiestas Solemenes), which did not necessarily fall on Saturday (El Shabbath)—

The numbers in red brackets show 3 ceremonial Sabbaths, which did not necessarily fall on the Seventh Day Sabbath—Shabbath. Once again, ineptitude is a serious sin (HOSEA 4:6), and even more so when it is accompanied by ignorance and perversity. Stay away from them!

[8:26 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Who speaks in the book of Revelation?

[8:26 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Ami tells me that she wants mercy, not sacrifice, what do you understand by that?

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Of course I understand it, do you understand it?

²³Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you tithe mint and dill and cumin,  and you leave the most important part of the law: justice, mercy and faith.  This was necessary to do, without stopping doing that —MATHEW 23:23

[8:27 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Why don't you stone those who don't keep the Sabbath?

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Very simple-

²My little children, I write these things to you so that you do not sin;  and if anyone has sinned, we have an advocate  to the Father, to Jesus Christ the just. —1 JOHN 2:1

[8:27 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
⁶and I show mercy to thousands, to those who love me and keep my commandments. —EXODUS 20:6

[8:27 PM, 9/17/2019] Ariel Paz:
It would be nice if the debate was on audio. Or video call

[8:27 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Please answer

[8:28 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Mercy does not exist without the law.

¹⁰what I do mercy to thousands, to those who love me and keep my commandments. —DEUTERONOMY 5:10

¹⁵⁹See, O Jehovah, that I love your commandments; Quicken me according to your mercy. —PSALMS 119:59

⁴And I prayed to the Lord my God and made confession, saying: Now, Lord, great God, worthy to be feared,  that you keep the covenant and mercy with those who love you and keep your commandments;  —DANIEL 9:4

[8:28 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
You remain silent, you never debate

[8:29 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
You see, you don't comply with the law, no matter how much you want to, you can't.

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
The Bible says that it is people like you who cannot keep the law—

[8:29 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
The law was a shadow

[8:29 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
The essence is Christ amen

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
En efecto, por fin dices algo con sentido. La ley ceremonial era una sombra de lo que habría de venir, es decir, de la Cruz—

⁸And all the inhabitants of the earth worshiped her, whose names were not written in the book of  the life of the Lamb who was slain from the beginning of the world . -APOCALYPSE

of what was to come—

²⁹The next day John saw Jesus coming to him, and said:  Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world.  —JOHN 1:29

Again, friend—^\

²³Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you tithe mint and dill and cumin,  and you leave the most important part of the law: justice, mercy and faith.  This was necessary to do, without stopping doing that —JESUS OF NAZARETH (Matthew 23:23)

Without law there is no mercy, and the Pharisees did not keep the law. Do you dare dispute that?

[8:30 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Answer, where does mercy come from? The justice? Faith?

[8:30 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Faith is better than the law. The law was a shadow you understand
After preparing the Earth for human habitation, Jehovah God proceeded to rest from his works of material creation regarding the Earth. This is stated in Genesis 2:1-3. But the biblical record says nothing about God commanding Adam to keep the seventh day of each week as a day of rest.

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier

⁹Therefore,  There remains a rest for the people of God.  ¹⁰For he who has entered into his rest,  He has also rested from his works, as God has rested from his. 

[8:31 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Romans 3:31

And speaking of faith—

³¹Then by faith do we invalidate the law? In no way,  but we confirm the law. 

¡La fe confirma la ley, escrito está!

There you have it.

[8:31 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Clear why the law was a shadow a guardian

[8:31 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Es de impíos poner las cosas de Dios a competir.

Si algo viene de Dios es proque es bueno… (ROM. 7:12)

[8:32 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Sure but everything has a purpose. And what was the purpose of the law?

[8:32 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
⁷What shall we say, then? Is the law a sin? In no way.  But I did not know sin except through the law;  for neither would I know covetousness, unless the law said, Thou shalt not covet. —ROMANS 7:7

There you have it, the end of the law... that is to say—my dear sleeping beauty,the purpose of the law!

¹²So the law is truly holy, and the commandment holy, just, and good. —ROMANS 7:12

[8:33 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Lead us to Christ that

[8:33 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
You say that faith is better than the law. Y tanto la fe como la ley vienen de Dios. En ningú lado en la Biblia dice que la fe es mejor que la ley. Por el contrario, Romanos  3:31, repito, dice que por medio de la fe confirmamos la ley." ¿Tampoco entiendes eso?

[8:33 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
But then how do we understand Romans 10:4?

[8:33 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Eso que tú acabas de hacer solo lo hace un Impío; poner la palabra de Dios a competir. Lo que debemos es buscar la armonía en la palabra de Dios. Un texto no puede destruir otro, pues toda palabra es inspirada y "Dios no es un Dios de confusión." (1 COR. 14:33)

[8:34 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
You are no one to judge

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
As always, you're wrong—

²⁴Do not judge by appearances,  but judge with righteous judgment.  —JOHN 7:24

² Or do you not know that the saints are to judge the world?  AND if the world is to be judged by youAre you unworthy of judging very small things?
³Or do you not know that we must judge the angels?  How much more the things of this life?  —1 COR. 6:2-3

And who are the Saints, again?

[8:34 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
I'm giving you Romans. Is Paul contradicting himself, or are you contradicting him?

[8:34 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
The law ended until the Ten Commandments

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier

Estás diciendo que La ley tuvo fin hasta que fue dada la ley. ¿Te das cuenta de las incoherencias que dices, por tu necedad en aferrarte a dogmas católicas que tu Pastor Bergoglio te dio?

[8:34 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
End = Purpose

[8:34 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
We only have to be governed by the principles of such law

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Ahora dijistes otra incoherencia. Estás aceptando que debemos regirnos por los principios de la ley. Isn't that keeping the law? Tell me, do you abide by the principles of the Sabbath? I will give you some beginnings of the Sabbath—

¹³  [1] If you withhold your foot from the Sabbath, from doing your will on my holy day,  [2] and you will call it a delight, holy, glorious of the Lord;  [3] and you will venerate him,  [4] not walking in your own paths,  [5] nor seeking your will,  [6] not even speaking your own words,
¹⁴so [su_highlight background="#fff621″ color="#313131″][7][/su_highlight]te deleitarás en Jehová; y yo te haré subir sobre las alturas de la tierra, y te daré a comer la heredad de Jacob tu padre; porque la boca de Jehová lo ha hablado. —ISAÍAS 58:13-14

Ahí lo tienes, 7 principios sobre el cuarto mandamientos, para que los tengas a mano—y los pongas por obra, cada Sábado.

[8:35 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
OK
Then the law finally won????????????????
You said it yourself

[8:36 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
The law of Christ is love OK

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Una vez más, usted, mi amigo, no tiene una sola gota de discernimiento en esa cabeza.

¹⁰Love does no harm to others; so  the fulfillment of the law is love.  —ROMANS 13:10

¹⁰ If you will save my commandments, you will be in my love;  just as I have kept my Father's commandments, and am in his love.—1 JOHN 15:10

[8:36 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
So the law of Moses?

Did Moses create a law or was Moses given a law?

¹²Then Jehovah said to Moses: Come up to me on the mountain, and wait there,  and I will give you tables of stone, and the law,  and commandments that I have written to teach you. —EXODUS 24:12

¹² And the Lord spoke with you  out of the midst of the fire: you heard the voice of his wordsbut except for hearing the voice, you saw no figure:
¹³And he announced his covenant to you, [su_highlight background="#fff621″ color="#313131″]el cual os mandó poner por obra,[/su_highlight] las diez palabras; y escribiólas en dos tablas de piedra.
¹⁴ Jehovah also commanded me  then teach you the statutes and rights, so that you may put them into practice in the land to which you are passing to possess it. —DEUTERONOMY 4:12-14

[8:37 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
¹⁴Blessed are those who KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, *to have the right to the tree of life, and to enter through the gates into the city.
¹⁵But the dogs  they will be out,  and sorcerers, fornicators, murderers, idolaters, and everyone who loves and tells lies.
¹⁶ I Jesus I have sent my angel to testify to you of these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright and morning star.—REVELATION 22:14-16

Explain Apocalypse to me. 22:15

You are Catholic, my friend ^[3]The Catechism of the Holy Council of Trent — Catholic Church Allows Change of the Sabbath
[DOCUMENT, CristoVerdad]

[8:38 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
You continue with the same thing, I ask you something, does the law bring us closer to Christ or distance us? Reply

What with that.

Deu. 5:15: “You must remember [Israel] that you became a slave in the land of Egypt and Jehovah your God proceeded to bring you out of there with a strong hand and outstretched arm. That is why the Lord your God commanded you to observe the Sabbath.” (Here Jehovah relates the giving of the Sabbath law to Israel's liberation from slavery in Egypt, not to the events in Eden.)

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
Claro, El Sábado es el día de la libertad (ISA. 58:13-14). Explícame que hacen Jesús, Pablo, y Juan hablando del Sábado en el "Nuevo Testamento", aún mucho después de Cristo morir.

[8:41 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
Exo. 16:1, 23-29: “At last the entire assembly of the children of Israel arrived in the desert of Sin […] on the fifteenth day of the second month after they had left the land of Egypt. […] [Moses] said to them: 'This is what the Lord has spoken. Tomorrow there will be Sabbath observance of a Sabbath holy to Jehovah. […] Six days they will gather it [the manna], but on the seventh day there is a Sabbath. It will not be formed in him.' […] Jehovah said to Moses: […] 'Take note of the fact that Jehovah has given you the Sabbath.'” (Before this, the weeks had been separated into groups of seven days each, but this is the first reference made to a Sabbath observance.)

[EDITION] Jose Luis Javier
¿Sabías que ya se estaba guardando el Sábado antes de eso? (EXD. 16:4-5)|. Y tú mismo haces referebcia a Éxodo 16:1. Sin embargio, más arriba dijiste que la ley fue dada en el Sinaí, en Éxodo 20 mas aquí menciones Éxdo 161:1, donde se habla de la ley antes de esr escrita en las dos tablas de piedras. Y te equivocas cuando dices que esta es la primera referencia a una observancia sabática, pues como ya te [resenté en Marcos 2:27 Jesús dijo que el día de reposo fue hecho para causade l hombre. Es decir, ya a Adán le le había dado el sábado en la creación. Recuerda, ya Adán había sido cerado cuando Dios reposó el séptimo día, esto es lo que Oseas 6:7 confirma.

Tell me, Why does the week have 7 days in every place in the world?

[8:44 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
I'm telling you, you are more Catholic than Francisco.^[3]The Catechism of the Holy Council of Trent — Catholic Church Allows Change of the Sabbath
[DOCUMENT, CristoVerdad]

[8:44 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)
We have been disenfranchised by the law. I can show you with the bible

[8:45 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Apoc. 22:14-15.. Explain to me Rev 22:15, please.

[8:45 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová): Rom. 7:6, 7: “Ahora hemos sido desobligados de la Ley, porque hemos muerto a aquello por lo cual se nos tenía sujetos […] ¿Qué, pues, diremos? ¿Es la Ley pecado? ¡Jamás sea cierto eso! Realmente no hubiera llegado yo a conocer el pecado si no hubiese sido por la Ley; y, por ejemplo, no hubiera conocido la codicia si la Ley no hubiese dicho: ‘No debes codiciar.’” (Aquí, inmediatamente después de escribir que los cristianos judíos habían sido “desobligados de la Ley”, ¿qué ejemplo de la Ley cita Pablo? El Décimo Mandamiento, lo cual muestra que este era parte de la Ley de la cual habían sido desobligados.)

[8:45 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
I tell you that you are Catholic.

[8:46 PM, 9/17/2019] Alex (Testigo de Jehová)

Goodbye, continue keeping the law, it is of no use to you.

[8:46 PM, 9/17/2019] José Luis Javier
Bueno, la Biblia dice que la ley no sirve para nada, excepto para llegar al cielo (APC. 22:14-21).