The Dissenters and Jehovah's Anointed

THE People of God

The following study began as a conversation in a WhatsApp group called God Help Us Arrive To The Field. The conversation became interesting, and we decided to do a little Bible study on the spot. Here is the conversation:

[5:25 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis (Venezuela)

Brother José Luis Amen, I am very happy about your participation in the group, your great contribution... I have just read all your very necessary participation, this truth, thank God, motivated you to share it and continue sharing it, if we do not create opposition, Our Savior will come and we will still be in the sleeping corporation.. May God enlighten you in your study! I would like to know what country it is from. I will also join the WhatsApp group ChristTruth and I firmly support it and God works so that the remnant is firm in defending this truth!

And doing the study part here in this group is a very good idea! Could you give a more specific idea of how it should be done? I see clearly brother that we need so much study, starting with me! Knows? Today I spoke at a lunch after worship to some brothers, including the pastor's wife and pastor, a point we have been talking about and the pastor's wife tells me, are they dissidents? And I answer: dissidents why? Why do we say what is not preached in the Church and for telling the truth they call us reformists? And another Brother made it clear to me that we are crazy because we preach going out to the countryside, already extremist that this should not happen yet, that that is when they approve the Sunday law! I was surprised just when I want to refute the call to eat everyone left me alone and unable to speak! Incredible but everything you say is based on truth, sad that you want to talk to them and they call you a dissident, a reformist, an extremist and many other things!

[5:38 PM, 11/4/2017] Bayron

Well that is the sad mentality of our church!

But to touch those points with the brothers, you have to know how to say them with wisdom and discretion and with the Bible and Spirit of prophecy!!

[5:41 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis (Venezuela)

Well, you may be right, Byron, but they are not uneducated people or newcomers to the church, they are topics that everyone has studied, which they should support because it is the truth, it should not seem crazy and nothing out of this world to them.

Wow brother, this information is very interesting. We should all read and analyze carefully.

[6:08 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier

This was the reaction to the article: DO NOT JUDGE, which I had already shared]. Here I leave them. 
^[1]NOT JUDGE?
[ARTICLE, CristoVerdad]

5:41 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis (Venezuela)

Amen my Sister Mirian that's how it is! May our God give us true discernment, may his holy spirit enlighten us to understand and defend this truth that is difficult for many to assimilate!

Brother José Luis Javier, I don't know what's happening but I try to join your WhatsApp group and it tells me that the link is invalid.

[8:26 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier

Your comment is very interesting, sister. Now I ask a question for everyone here...

 What is a dissident?

[8:30 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis (Venezuela)

Brother, the first time I have heard that comment in the time I have known the church, I have a slight idea but with certainty I would not know how to define what it is... But I know that The church has described pr. Gates as this.

[8:31 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier

Alright. Is anyone else excited?

We will do a little study on this.

[8:32 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis (Venezuela)

Very good that would clear up many doubts!

[8:32 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier

Once again, we start with the question, What is a dissident?

This is not to test anyone's knowledge, but to learn. There are no bad answers, but rather questions that need answers. You learn from everything. In fact, the best thing is not to know something, and after the error is clarified, you come away edified, wiser, because you already know something you didn't know.

[8:35 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis (Venezuela)

Indeed brother... Now let's wait for the responses of those who are encouraged.

[8:36 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier

Let's wait a while to see if anyone is encouraged. We just want to look at the different points, to put them in context, in light of “the law and the testimony.”

Click on the image to see the definition of what a dissident is.

[8:40 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis (Venezuela)

I already joined your CristoVerdad group, but through the link on the Cristianos Verdad page.

[8:40 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Thank you brother José.

[8:41 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Now, is it bad to be a dissident?

[8:41 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Amen sister. The name is ChristTruth https://www.cristoverdad.com

[8:44 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: The definition is very good.. Now according to the truth that we preach at some point we will have to be dissidents and support all the bad things that are happening in the church that is going on. against the truth and wants to keep the remnant of God asleep!

[8:44 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: I have a question.

Was Luz Beel a dissident?

[8:44 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Luz Beel?

[8:44 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: ??

[8:45 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Satan before he was cast out of heaven

[8:46 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Ah… Lucifer…

[8:46 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Ok, I'll answer you in a moment, thank you for your question, very good...

[8:47 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: But first answer the one I asked you first, is being a dissident a bad thing?

[8:48 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: From my point of view I don't think it's bad to be a dissident!

[8:48 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Ok, does anyone else have another point?

[8:59 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: I hope that you will point out where I have left the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy.

[9:02 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Dissidents can be positive or negative.

[9:03 PM, 11/4/2017] Bayron (EUD): José Luis, at no time have I said that you have left the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy!

I have been clear as day that in the Church we go to we must know how to speak and communicate what is wrong within the Church and then make the necessary reforms to be in harmony again!!

[9:03 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Satan was a dissident without arguments in heaven.

[9:04 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Brother, have you ever read Genesis 3:15?

[9:04 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: He questioned the Government of God.

[9:04 PM, 11/4/2017] Bayron (EUD): And I mean harmony with the Bible!!

If I will put enmity between you...

[9:05 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Ok. Does the Bible Call Satan Dissident?

[9:05 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Ah, now we are clear. There should never be harmony with sin.

[9:06 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Nor will there be, because God has always had his Watchtowers in all ages.

[9:06 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Amen, that's how it is brother.

[9:06 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: That series would be the negative form of dissidence.

[9:07 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Martín Luther was a dissident in his time.

[9:08 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: In a positive way.

[9:08 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: What do you think?

[9:08 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: He told the truth respectfully but solidly.

[9:08 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Ok, brother José. Your explanations on both points are very good…

[9:08 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Argument

[9:10 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Ok, when these pastors refer to David Gates as a dissident, what are they referring to?

[9:10 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Be careful, I am not defending David Gates, because I have my differences with him, but I am giving the same example of the sister.

[9:11 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Well, the controversy there is that from my point of view he is not a dissident!

[9:11 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Yes, but from their point of view?

[9:11 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: In the case of our brother David we have to see what his ministry background is.

[9:12 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Yes, I see many of PR Gate's preachings as positive, but I don't see it as dissident... I don't know what they think.

[9:12 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: And you, have you seen that background?

[9:12 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: What it does.

[9:12 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Please expand.

[9:13 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Why does the Eighth-Day Adventist corporation call you a dissident?

[9:15 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: When I heard the comment in the church, I didn't know he was a dissident but I thought, "That can't be whatever it is, but I didn't know what it meant, although I assumed it was something bad because They don't want him in the church. Now I see everything in a different way

[9:15 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: There are many self-supporting ministries and that can lead to mistakes, in my humble opinion.

[9:16 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: We are talking about the specific case of David Gates, what are those errors?

[9:16 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Well, apart from that self-support, he speaks openly about the papacy, the Sunday law and that which we know is not preached in the church.

[9:18 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: I need to have more evidence from reliable sources if I make a comment now I could defame my brother.

[9:18 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: He is also an anointed of God.

[9:19 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: But then why does the corporation do it so freely?

[9:20 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: What does that mean?

[9:20 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Interesting question... To which I would like to know an answer.. Many things about that are still unclear

[9:20 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Greetings sister, everything is very clear.

[9:23 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Very good sister! So what happens to PR Gate? The church calls him a dissident, according to the rumor I heard, now I don't see him as a dissident! What happens to him?

[9:24 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Sorry brother.

[9:25 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Anyone who takes the side of God is called a dissident, terrorist, legalist, Pharisee, Galatian, radical, and the most popular term that could not be missing, “ fundamentalist.”

[9:26 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: My point of view is that I see it as correct in the first place and you say you have differences... I want to know which ones.

[9:26 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: They called Jesus a dissident too, not in those same words, but they called him demon-possessed..

[9:27 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: I agree.

[9:27 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: I'll explain that to you in a moment...

[9:27 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Understood is true!

[9:28 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: But, I would like brother Joseph to explain to us about Jehovah's anointed.

[9:28 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: We are already finishing.

[9:28 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Very good

[9:29 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): It's interesting.

[9:29 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Thank you brother, you can join the conversation without problems.

[9:30 PM, 11/4/2017] José EUD Group: In ancient times the Kings of Israel were anointed.

[9:31 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Yes, but what do I mean by being anointed?

[9:31 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: They are called to a special service.

[9:32 PM, 11/4/2017] José EUD Group: Pastors are ordained equally.

[9:32 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: But what does it mean to be anointed?

[9:33 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: David having the opportunity to kill Saul never did it because he was God's anointed. Does something like this refer to the pr gate??

[9:33 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Correct.

[9:34 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): ?

[9:34 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: At one point we touched on that point too.

[9:34 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Just because he is pr does not mean that he is better than others, he is still a sinner and can make mistakes.

[9:34 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: He respected and recognized the authority given by God.

[9:34 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: So do the pastors.

[9:34 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Can that anointing be lost?

[9:34 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: May God judge them.

[9:35 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Serious error.

[9:35 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: “You will know them by their fruits…”

[9:36 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Look at the history of the Kings of Israel.

[9:36 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Did God judge Saúl, or did Samuel judge him?

[9:36 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Samuel didn't do his thing, did he?

[9:37 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Well, as I said, pastors also make mistakes and sin, I suppose that by erring, sinning they stop being anointed. Otherwise Saul would not have died for failing to obey God in the way he died.

[9:37 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Judging Saul.

[9:37 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Did Samuel judge him or not? You said let God judge him... And as far as I understand Samuel is not God.

[9:38 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Can't we judge?

[9:38 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: The Kingdom was taken away from Saúl, the anointed no.

[9:38 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Another serious mistake.

[9:39 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: ???

[9:39 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): ?

?

[9:39 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Brother, let us be careful not to attribute to God what God has not said. Does the Bible say that Saul did not lose his anointing?

[9:40 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): Until now I don't understand…

[9:40 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: As far as I know, the Bible does not say anything like that.

[9:40 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): ???

[9:41 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Keep observing…we will already fall into the point. We must first decontaminate ourselves from the errors that we have been taught for so many years.

[9:41 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Calm down brother, it's not difficult to understand

[9:41 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): Yes, brothers.

[9:41 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: ?? So be it.

[9:41 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): I want to know more.

[9:42 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: How is it that someone who still has the anointing of God is going to see a witch?

[9:42 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Doesn't the Bible say that sorcerers will not inherit the kingdom of God?

[9:42 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Lethal Deception, HALLOWEEN & The Prophecies.

[9:43 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Indeed.. When Samuel went to anoint David as king Saul was already no longer anointed..

[9:43 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): It was already anointed. Ps

[9:43 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Correct, and why did David say that?

[9:44 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): I think we should remember Lucifer.

[9:44 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Explain to us.

[9:44 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: There are Kings who did evil before the eyes of God, they repented, did they lose the anointing?

[9:44 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: I suppose he respected that God one day looked with favor on Saul and had chosen him as king of his people

[9:45 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Did Saul repent?

[9:45 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Umju??

[9:45 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: And David

[9:45 PM, 4/11/2017] José EUD Group: ?

[9:45 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Adultery and murder.

[9:46 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Did David repent?

[9:46 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): Lucifer in heaven had power. When he was released into this world ? He came with everything, the power that God had given him was not taken away.

[9:46 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: It's a matter of reading the Psalms.

[9:47 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoTrudad: God said that David was the king according to his heart. After his sin, it was clear that he repented after God made him see his serious sin.

[9:47 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Where does it say in the Bible that power was not taken away? If it were, you and I would not be alive today.

[9:47 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: ?

?

[9:48 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: I repeat, Did David regret, Did Saul regret it?

[9:48 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): Yes.

[9:48 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Saul no.. David yes.

[9:49 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Do you believe that if Satan had all his power, there would be a living being on earth?

[9:49 PM, 4/11/2017] José Grupo EUD: Let's organize the context of the conversation.

[9:49 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: So we are buying Apples with Oranges.

[9:49 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): ?????

[9:49 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: No…, actually we are doing well. We are arriving.

[9:50 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): See you tomorrow brothers.

[9:50 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: I guess not... Now Satan has evil power, where does he get it from??

[9:50 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Don't go, brother, wait for the outcome.

[9:50 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Wait brother.

[9:50 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Do you remember the story of Job?

[9:51 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Yes!!

[9:51 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: So.

[9:51 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: We are talking about whether the anointing is removed or lost.

[9:51 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Yes, that's where we go.

[9:51 PM, 4/11/2017] José EUD Group: Anointing.

[9:51 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Well, God allowed the devil to harm Job, right?

[9:51 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: That's what we're going for, right?

[9:52 PM, 11/4/2017] José EUD Group: The two Kings sinned.

[9:52 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Both were reprimanded.

[9:52 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: You said you didn't want to say anything about David Gates because he was God's anointed. I'm going to put a couple of short videos of an “anointed of God” for you to analyze.

[9:53 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoTrudad: David sinned Saul did not want to obey God anymore

[9:53 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: The “True” Sin of Sodom and Gomorrah — Jonathan Henderson Apostasy Omega.

[9:54 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: “Let's welcome homosexuals” in the Adventist Church —Jonathan Henderson Pacific Union College.

[9:54 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Correct, one repented and the other did not.

[9:54 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: When you see it, answer me, Is that an anointed of God?

[9:55 PM, 4/11/2017] José Grupo EUD: I would like you to understand something.

[9:56 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: There are shepherds who give their lives for their sheep and others who kill their sheep to survive.

[9:57 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: God will judge each one according to their knowledge.

[9:57 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: And in this time, will there be pastors who give their lives for God?

[9:58 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: You or I am willing to give my life for Jesus.

[9:59 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: May God have mercy on our leaders and their laity.

[9:59 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: And why hasn't a single paid pastor stood up to stand up for God?

[10:00 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): Amen.

[10:00 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Apostasy goes and apostasy comes, and the pastors remain silent, collecting their check.

[10:00 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Wow I don't think so... That can't be an anointed of God, I don't agree.

[10:00 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: God's mercy only reaches the obedient, not the rebellious.

[10:01 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Times of sarandeo.

[10:01 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: So, Can the anointing be lost?

[10:01 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: I don't think they do it.

[10:01 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): If so, we are in the last few days.

[10:02 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: It is also sad but true.

[10:02 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: And that is not the worst one I have seen. Watch the videos The Art of Sin 1 & 2) and Revolution in the Adventist Church

[10:02 PM, 4/11/2017] José EUD Group: Intuited discarded.

[10:02 PM, 4/11/2017] José EUD Group: Anointed.

[10:02 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: So, to close, Can the anointing of God be lost?

[10:02 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: I haven't seen it yet but I surely will.

[10:03 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Anointed discarded?

[10:03 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Yes, it is undoubtedly lost, it is being lost.

[10:03 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): So r

[10:04 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Can one be such a thing as a faithful sinner?

[10:05 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Well obviously nooo how?? I don't believe it.

[10:05 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Let's close brother José, the best part is coming. But please answer the question. Can God's anointing be lost?

[10:06 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Brother José said ““an anointed rejected”… alluding to the fact that he continues to be anointed, even after being rejected… Or am I wrong?

[10:07 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Umju that seems like... Well I differ.

[10:07 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: ??‍♀

[10:07 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: I may be misunderstanding.

[10:07 PM, 4/11/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): ?

[10:07 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: That's why I ask

[10:08 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: The anointing was with oil that represents the Holy Spirit of God.

[10:08 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Well, nothing better than the brother to clarify.

[10:08 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): I say the same thing.

[10:08 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Is it lost or not lost?

[10:09 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: The greatest sin is rejection.

[UPDATE Sept 26, 2018]
[10:00 PM, 11/26/2018] José Luis Javier: In that case, then:

¹⁰ And the word of the Lord came to Samuel, saying:
¹¹ I regret having made Saul king, because he has turned back from me, and has not fulfilled my words. And Samuel was grieved, and cried to the Lord all that night.…

²³ Because as a sin of divination is rebellion, and obstinacy as idols and idolatry. How much you discarded the word of Jehovah, he has also discarded you so that you are not king.
²⁴ Then Saul said to Samuel, I have sinned; well I have broken the commandment of the Lord and your words, because I feared the people and consented to their voice. So forgive my sin now,
²⁵ and return with me to worship the Lord.
²⁶ And Samuel said to Saul, I will not return with you; because you have rejected the word of the Lord, and Jehovah has rejected you so that you may not be king over Israel.
²⁷ And Samuel turned to go, he caught hold of the corner of his cloak, and it tore.
²⁸ Then Samuel said to him: JToday the Lord has torn the kingdom of Israel from you., and has given it to a neighbor of yours who is better than you. …

³⁴ Then Samuel went to Ramah, and Saul went up to his house in Saul's Gibeah.
³⁵ And Samuel never saw Saul afterwards in all his life; and Samuel wept for Saul; and Jehovah repented having made Saul king over Israel.  —1 SAMUEL 15:10-11; 23-26;34-35

¹ The LORD said to Samuel:How long will you mourn Saul, having rejected him? so that he does not reign over Israel? Fill your horn with oil, and come, I will send you to Jesse of Bethlehem, for I have provided myself with his sons as a king. —1 SAMUEL 6:1

DISCARD: transitive verb
1. To separate [a person] from someone or something that is useless, uncomfortable or annoying.
“discard uncomfortable thoughts; cast away vain fears; For the study, factors such as the selection of the animals were taken into account (the least gifted ones were discarded due to both their youth and their old age)”
2. Decline or not considering or taking into account something, especially a proposal, a request, an idea, etc.
“This is a bold thesis that some specialists reject; In his eight years in office, he delayed or scrapped many projects that would now be most useful” —GOOGLE

[END UPDATE Sept 26, 2018]

[10:09 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: I only gave you a few texts… read The Complete Story (1 Samuel 15 & 16).

[10:09 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: I think so.

[10:09 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: That's right

[10:09 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Brother, we are not comparing sins.

[10:10 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Like that??

[10:10 PM, 4/11/2017] José EUD Group: Yes brother.

[10:10 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: As I told you, there is no such thing as a bad answer, but we are all in search of the truth.

[10:10 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: I will find the appointment for you.

[10:11 PM, 4/11/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Very well that's it.

[10:11 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Ok now!

[10:11 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Brother, but just be firm in your response. If you have a good date, but be firm in what you believe. The time will come when they will take us to court and we will not be able to hesitate there.

[10:12 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: I think the same way brother.

[10:12 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: I'm just waiting for your response, to ask a final question, and close with the Dissidents.

[10:15 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Perfect... Because when I look at the phone for a long time my eyes start to hurt, I don't know why... But it is important that we clear up all doubts about this topic and those that are missing.

[10:15 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Brother Jose, we await your response.

[10:16 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: We are waiting for brother José.

[10:16 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): That's right.

[10:17 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Very good, let's hope he hasn't fallen asleep.

[10:17 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: I'm looking for the appointment.

[10:18 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): Ok Ok.

[10:18 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Okay!

[10:18 PM, 4/11/2017] Dario (EUD): ??????

[10:18 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): Ok

[10:18 PM, 4/11/2017] José Grupo EUD: At this time the neurons are slower.

[10:19 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): In which book is the quote brother to help you search.

[10:19 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Brother, I trust you. If you don't have the appointment at hand, no problems. Just give us your firm answer.

[10:19 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: We are almost done with the study brother, the next one can participate from the beginning however they can read diligently.

[10:19 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Yes perfect…

[10:20 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): That's right.

[10:20 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: As I told you, this is not a matter of who is right and who is wrong. We just want the light of the word to shine and we all win.

[10:21 PM, 11/4/2017] Darío (EUD): I am following everything, just waiting for the response.

[10:21 PM, 4/11/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): Ok.

[10:21 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: The light of the word.

[10:21 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Very well said for everyone brother.

[10:21 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Ok, that sounds good to me.

[10:21 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Ok.

[10:22 PM, 11/4/2017] Jhon Laguna (EUD): Ok

[10:24 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: ??‍♀

[10:24 PM, 11/4/2017] José EUD Group: Patriarchs and prophets book.

[10:25 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: In the story of David and Goliath.

[10:25 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Umju.

[10:25 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Well, I think we are going to have to continue. If the brother finds the quote, good. But also good.

 Brothers, I ask these types of questions because usually Adventists “are” very bad at defending what we “believe.” For example, the Adventist does not know how to defend the Sabbath. And because? By studying the contaminated material called Sabbath School Brochure. There is nothing to look for there.

 That's a topic for another day, although this afternoon I assigned them a name to search on Google, and no one has answered...

[10:27 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: True, I was going to look for it and I focused on other information... But it's the truth, we lack study, security and determination.

[10:27 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Brother José, we don't even have in mind what you are looking for. I just asked you one question, and if you don't know, just say I don't know...there's no sin in that. But he has been evading her for more than half an hour.

[10:27 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: True my brother…

[10:28 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Ok, for the entire group…

 Can God's anointing be lost?

[10:28 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Guys, read the story in the book I gave you, there is the answer

[10:28 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: I had read it.

[10:29 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: If it can be lost, that's my point, what else?

[10:29 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: When I don't know something I say it since I don't know everything.

[10:29 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Exactly.

[10:30 PM, 4/11/2017] José Grupo EUD: But what catches my attention stays with me.

[10:30 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: But you have left us in limbo for a long time.

[10:30 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: He still hasn't answered and is still going around.

[10:30 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Is it lost or not lost?

[10:31 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Certainly Brother José, let's say your point of view, please.

[10:31 PM, 4/11/2017] José EUD Group: It is lost.

[10:31 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Everyone's opinion counts, and since you have been involved in the study, I have not wanted to continue without you.

[10:31 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Ok, thank you.

[10:31 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Of those I mentioned earlier.

[10:32 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Now, what did David mean by not touching Jehovah's anointed, if Saul had already lost the anointing?

[10:34 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Brother, it is not to defend the pastors but they, like us, erred and we have the same opportunity to return.

[10:35 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Well, he was no longer anointed but it pleased God to choose him, he felt respect for that!

[10:35 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Not really…

[10:36 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: I understand..

[10:36 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Sure, But how many are taking sides with God today?

[10:36 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: In another time we talked about shepherds...

[10:37 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Closing…

Has David ever made a mistake?

[10:37 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: It is obvious that the minority defends the truth! Now we will know why David called Saul the anointed one when he was no longer one?

[10:38 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Who did David grow up with most of his life?

[10:39 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: With his father! Or herding the sheep!

[10:40 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: No. That was part of his childhood and perhaps his adolescence.

[10:41 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: In his adolescence after defeating Goliath, with Saúl..

[10:42 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: David was the bridge between God and Saul.

[10:43 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Ok, who was Saúl's best friend?

[10:43 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Sorry, from David.

[10:44 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Jonathan.

[10:44 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: And who was Jonathan's father?

[10:44 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Correct.

[10:44 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Saul… Mmmm

[10:45 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: So, did Saúl become like _______ for David?

[10:45 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: True, Saul was like a father to David.

[10:47 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: There is the answer. That's why David didn't touch it. There is no such thing as “God's anointed” as pastors are attributed to them today., giving them license to sin and “may God judge them”…that is idolatry!

[10:47 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Now—The Dissidents, and closing…

[10:47 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Very true brother.

[10:48 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Umju dissidents…

[10:48 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Brother José made the point that there are two groups of Dissidents… The “good” and “the bad”, we could say…

[10:49 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Well, he said the way we see the dissidents is that there are positives and negatives... What could it be?

[10:51 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: David Gates is called a Dissident by corporate leaders… but why?

 Well, Gates preaches against the ordination of women to pastors and elders, which the Church has as a policy,  against biblical teaching. Today we know that this is theater, and Gates is a puppet that the Adventist Whore uses to trap the unwary. That's a study for another day. Don't stop watching the series Oliver and His Minions completely (5 parts).

 That is why those baptismal vows are an invention of Satan himself, because our loyalty must be directed to God, not to the church, because God does not change, and the manual—which Adventists hold above the Bible, changes every 5 years. And in the manual it says that you can ordain old women, when the bible says no…and no one complains about that..

[10:53 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Well, it came up that Satan was a dissident. The Bible does not identify him as such, but as “the father of lies,” the ancient serpent... Let's call things by their name. The word of God is not touched. Now, I ask the last question, Does anyone here consider themselves a dissident?

[10:54 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Wow! Very true in our sight and we do not see it! May God help us understand and open our eyes, it is not difficult to understand the truth with all the resources that God makes available to us.

[10:54 PM, 4/11/2017] José EUD Group: God comes to look for his Church.

[10:55 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Be careful with that.

[10:55 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: And what is that church?

[10:56 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: That's right brother! If we start to denounce all this truth they will classify us as dissidents and if that is the case then I prefer to be a dissident than to remain blind.

[10:56 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Do you? Do you know what year it began to be a Corporation and what was the reason?

[10:56 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: In 1863 it was organized as a Church. And it was incorporated as a 501 c(3) Company back in 2001, after the legal battle against Rafael Perez and his ministry The Eternal Gospel, in the year 2000. Since then it adopted the official name of The Corporation of the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists. The vast majority do not know it, but that is the official name of that sect. IT IS NOT A CHURCH, it is a for-profit corporate company.

[10:57 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Wow and so far only a few find out and many support.

[10:57 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: In ChristTruth We have a very interesting article about The Adventist Church and the dates 1844 and 1863, his pact with Rome, and where we show you “The Sect That Is No Longer” [1] [2]. We also did a very complete job on the series Oliver and His Henchmen, parts [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] is coming soon.

[10:58 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: ?? I will study when my eyesight fails.

[10:58 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Another point, the group is called Events of the Last Days.

[10:59 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: And not the events, it is so within the Church, let's look at the environment.

[10:59 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Brother, you change the points and when you are asked questions about it, you ignore it.

[10:59 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: At a political-religious level.

[10:59 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: What is the church that Christ comes to look for?

[10:59 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Yes! The reason for the name is due to the events and truths that we must know that are not and will not be preached in the church.

[10:59 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Do you know what religious politics means?

[11:00 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: The Bible does not give names but it does give characteristics.

[11:00 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Does anyone know the biblical quote?

[11:00 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: I am about to close, but if you continue bringing up other points, I have to question you about it.

[11:00 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Apoc. 14:12, Rev 12:17—The People of God.

[11:01 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: What does he say, let's see.

[11:01 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Brother Jose, let's close and we can calmly analyze your doubts in time and early.

[11:01 PM, 4/11/2017] José EUD Group: Ok.

[11:01 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Apoc. 14:12, Do you know an organization that meets these characteristics? And I liked that term, characteristic.

[11:01 PM, 4/11/2017] José EUD Group: Good evening.

[11:01 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: May God bless us.

[11:01 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Don't leave, we haven't finished.

[11:01 PM, 11/4/2017] Villamil Suárez (EUD): ???????

[11:02 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Ok sorry

[11:02 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Let's close the topic first, yes.

[11:02 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: I understand.

[11:02 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Well, we can take the Church of Christ further ahead, let's close...

[11:02 PM, 11/4/2017] Villamil Suárez (EUD): 11 pm in Caracas ????????????????????????????????????

[11:02 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Do we consider ourselves dissidents?

[11:03 PM, 11/4/2017] Villamil Suárez (EUD): God bless you, and happy night….

[11:03 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Yes there it is one more hour.. Here Ecuador 10pm.

[11:03 PM, 4/11/2017] José EUD Group: ??

[11:03 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: 00:03

[11:03 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: I repeat the question, Have any of you ever been called a dissident... And even more so, do any of you consider yourself a dissident?

[11:03 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: 11pm Philadelphia, USA

[11:04 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: ? Well let's answer and sleep.

[11:04 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: The question is for everyone.

[11:05 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: “There is the patience of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and they have the faith of Jesus.”

[11:05 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: They have not called me as such but they have not made reference to me for defending this truth and as I said, if that is why they call me that then I will be a dissident for defending the truth.

[11:05 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Not to me.

[11:05 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Although I have said some observations.

[11:06 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: The question, in that regard, is if you know of any organization that falls under that description [Apoc. 14:12].

[11:06 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: But do you consider yourself a dissident?

[11:06 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: If I continue, I have a topic for a while.

[11:06 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Also on this side!

[11:06 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Lean Early Writings.

[11:07 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Brother, when you believe something, do not be afraid to affirm it, much less defend it.

[11:07 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Ok the originals that are not manipulated.

[11:08 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Don't divert the conversation from me, Are there any dissidents here?

[11:09 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: I will be a dissident, I already said it, if I say everything I believe to the church.

[11:09 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Brothers, my head already hurts because of the view, I don't want to leave without finishing.

[11:10 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Ok, someone else… One minute Hernana.

[11:11 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Well, since here we only have the sister Anexacis among the dissidentsLet's see what the word of God says...

[11:12 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Ok, that sounds good to me.

[11:14 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: I want to introduce you to the most famous group of dissidents in history, and that the Bible mentions. Without realizing it, Brother José mentioned them. First, let's see what Sister White says about it, and then we will identify them in the Bible...

[11:14 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier:

“When the main churches of the United States, uniting on common points of doctrine, influence the State to enforce their decrees and institutions, then Protestant America will have formed an image of the Roman hierarchy, and the imposition of civil penalties against the Dissidents it will come of itself… —EUD92 134.3

[11:15 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: ?

[11:16 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Mmmm… Interesting, and what does the Bible say:

17 Then the dragon was filled with anger against the woman; and he went to wage war against the rest of her descendants., those who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. —REVELATION 12:17

[11:16 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: So brothers, the word of God calls the faithful dissidents. Count me among them!

[11:17 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Are there any more dissidents in this place?

[11:17 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: ??? Amen clearer brother, not even water, whoever wants to remain blind, then let him continue...

[11:18 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Did you know that the Pharisees called Jesus a dissident?
I don't remember the quote, but it's on topic. “Seventh” Day Adventist Babylon, Part 2: Apologetic Distortion. We also cover “the dissidents” in the subject The Dragon's Wrath, A Peculiar Attack — Corporate Blindness. Don't stop watching it, very interesting.

[UPDATE Sept 26, 2018]
“They knew that they could find no authorization for their traditions in the Scriptures. They realized that in spiritual understanding, Jesus He surpassed them by far. However, they were angry because he did not obey their dictates. Not being able to convince him, they looked for Joseph and Mary and they presented their dissident attitude. Thus he suffered rebuke and censure.” —THE DESIRED OF ALL PEOPLE, p.65.1
[END UPDATE]

[11:18 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Good night and blessings to everyone.

[11:19 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: Amen my brother, happy night to everyone. May God enlighten us, open our eyes and defend this truth...

[11:19 PM, 4/11/2017] José Luis Javier: Amen.

[11:19 PM, 4/11/2017] José Grupo EUD: Amen.

[11:19 PM, 11/4/2017] José Luis Javier: Good evening brothers.

[11:20 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: Good evening brothers, have a restful rest.

[11:20 PM, 11/4/2017] Anexacis CristoVerdad: That's right, let's study, scrutinize, pray, the truth is in front of us, let's not reject it.

[11:20 PM, 11/4/2017] José Grupo EUD: May God bless us.

—Jose Luis Javier
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